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Wed Apr 1, 2009, 9:38 AM
  • Mood: Lonely
haha since I have got myself that blog to post real life concerns on, it seems I have nothing to make journals about anymore! :XD:

but I was a little tired of seeing my face every time I logged on here. no more face please. :(

hopefully thinking about moving up a gear with art soon, as in venturing into the "art world" as they call it.
I have been asked to submit some work for an exhibition in London (this was actually a huge billboard that was to be placed near the Tate Gallery!) I have missed the deadline for that one I think, but I have been given an opportunity here for future exposure and I'd be mad to pass it up...

Of course in order to take part in anything I'd first have to sign up to the online gallery that organises these exhibitions, and any sales I make would have commission deducted, so yes sadly it does mean in order to make any money, I first have to spend it. I am beginning to understand the term 'starving artist'. (Not that I'm starving literally, just that I am starting to see that unless you are one of these lucky people who can make it on commissions alone, of which outside DA I have had none, then you have to be prepared to make very little, if only at first)

I was on a roll with the animal minipaintings, but I might have to reluctantly put those on hold, because I need to be painting larger, more saleable work. Because of the percentage of commission that would be taken off any sales I make (as would also happen in a conventional gallery), it is only going to be worth selling larger pieces at a higher price, at least through this site. I will probably save my smaller works for Affordable British Art which does not take commission off sales.

This is also bringing up a bit of a dilemma for me regarding pricing my work, which every artist finds difficult... what is too much, what's not enough?
As most if not all of my custom comes though DA I have tried to run my prices accordingly, ie probably not pricing them as high as I should do, because if I did I would not get any custom. But if I start venturing out into selling my work "in the big scary serious art world" I am going to have to bring my prices more in line with that, to make it worth my while. Therefore effectively cutting off any chance of getting any more commissions through DA. Number one golden rule of commissions/selling your art - you cannot have one price for person A and one for person B regardless of who they are - you must be consistent!

For example, as it stands I currently charge £65 for a 12x16" oil on canvas. Which sounds like a lot, but taking into account the works on this gallery website, none of which are under £200, and okay the subjects may be different but just going by what is there, or any other place I have seen art for sale, it starts to become clear that considering the time that goes into my paintings I should perhaps be charging significantly more than I am. (Which is a roundabout way of saying that there are people selling not exactly top fine quality work for hundreds!)

But what if I go ahead and raise all my prices and then I don't get any offers, interest etc... what then, come back to DA with my tail between my legs? (That would be funny... except it wouldn't really)

So yeah I am really undecided with all this at the moment. Every now and then I just feel I should start DOING something and making some kind of effort to get the ball rolling with this.

Oh look, an entry about art. lol

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:iconisleepawake:
OMG I know what you mean about pricing art!! I charge £100 for a 60 x 60cm oil on canvas, and £40 for 8x8" which people don't seem to mind so much, but the problem I have is that they all want them framed, and the frame for the big portraits is like £64, so then it starts to get waaay expensive for them and I feel I have to ask less for my work because of the stupid frame! :( Sigh....

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:iconlunatteo:
If you go for standard or common sizes when you do your pieces then you don't have to do custom framing, but can pick up a poster frame or some such at a frame/photo store for much cheaper. That is, if they don't mind a very simple frame.

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:iconmichiruokami:
There is a saying my dad always says, and it goes like this: Something is only worth as much as someone will pay for it.

If you see mediocere artwork going for $$$$ then you need to price accordingly.
The way the consumer market works is that people will willingly pay major money for something that is sub-par because they feel a high dollar value means it's better quality.

Also, I think in a lot of galleries they want the art already framed. Set a price for what you want to sell JUST the painting for, then when you buy the frame add the price of the frame to the price of the artwork.

It's too bad you dont live here in So. California. Good equine artwork sells really well, and there are so few who are really good at it.

Also, I dont think it's insane to consider a good size painting to go for $300+. I am also speaking from my experience of prices at a high end gallery with a mixed level of skilled artists.

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:iconisleepawake:
Yeah I was thinking of doing that, but I wasn't sure if they would have the type of frames for canvas, like without glass and stuff, and I don't know how to fit those :p It is a really nice frame I get them, and they don't seem to complain about it when I hand over the painting but I wish it wasn't so expensive :p

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:iconthe-other1:
i think you should go for it, if it doesnt work out, you can always drop your prices again, And you know you are more than welcome to use ANY of my photos if you need refs, :D

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:iconyob:
i was faced with that same dilemma this morning when someone approached me about doing another book cover, the first one i did for free, because it gave me a serious foot in the illustration world, but i cant give my art away, its just not fair on my poor pockets, hehe. so i went online to find out what people actually charged for a serious cover illustration and was blown away that the normal price was around $400 - $1000 and i was like OMG i can buy a really nice horse for that... LOL! point is you should already have a price in mind, and if you're not sure cruise the local art shops with unknown names and price art that way... its a good place to start! :D

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:iconhelekri:
Okay, I'll comment more later (just skimmed this, am going to bed like FINALLY) but in my experience it seems like pricing's not that much about quality or subject matters, it's about the ability to sell. People who charge over 200 dollars for a 8x8" clearly know where to offer their work and to some extent, who will be buying. I find it really difficult to get sales because I don't have a "network" of likeminded friends, acquaintances who own horses etc. In theory I know what I should do to build that network but in practice I'm just too... timid.

My advice on pricing, if you can't just put "best offer" on them, is to think about a going rate for, let's say, square inch and then just multiply that according to the size of canvas. When calculating the price, take into consideration materials, studio rent (or imagine what portion of rent, electicity, water, etc. should you pay for the space you've allocated to your art), storage and packaging, the gallery's cut AND an hourly rate for your work. Use your personal work as a calling card: you can charge more with commissions.

But what should that amount to? Beats me! :D Look around at local shows etc., try to recognise the amateur artists or new artists and check what they are asking for their work. But it shouldn't matter much, you can go higher and you can go lower. Pricing is hard. It's a constant battle between the effort required and value perceived. I'd imagine pricing will get easier the more you sell and the better you know your target audience.
:iconlunatteo:
ah, yeah... canvas can be tricky... but sometimes you can find something.

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:iconahuvah:
:blowkiss: I've gotten two commissions outside of deviantART. One I finished...one I haven't yet :XD: but I haven't really been paid well for my time, it was for a friend and since it takes me much longer than others...and I'm ...well, honestly, I'm pretty pushover. Ah yes. Funny though, I've never gotten a commission from deviantART. I guess I've never really tried either.
I'm terrible at deciding prices or figuring out what is worth what... I guess you probably knew I had nothing really helpful to say, but I didn't want to say nothing at all. :cuddle: I just wanted to say hi and find out how you're doing. :heart:

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